This week, bestselling author/wowlebrity Josh Sabarra‘s fascinating podcast about contemporary media, human sexuality, dating, and pop culture news features RuPaul’s Drag Race fan fave Morgan McMichaels, who wipes off the make-up for an outrageous conversation that is at once hilarious and thought provoking. The two chat about Drag Race, transgender issues, relationships and hot make-up tips. In addition, they discuss RuPaul’s Drag Con 2016, coming to the Los Angeles Convention Center THIS WEEKEND!

The takeaway quotes from the podcast:

On the gay community needing to help the trans community – “If you keep letting the little things — like calling people a tranny or calling a trans girl ‘he’ — all those little things become too much. Gay people, in general, have so many more rights than trans people, and I think it’s our duty as gay men and gay women to help out our trans brothers and sisters because, let’s bring them to where we are and then let’s keep fighting to get everything. I feel like the trans community has been left behind a little bit by the gay community, and I don’t like that.”

On Caitlyn Jenner – “I think it’s a double-edged sword. She’s got a TV show, but I don’t think she necessarily represents what the trans community is about.”

On La’Porsha Renae, the American Idol finalist who made an anti-gay comment – “Goodbye, career!”

On being bullied as a youngster – “I was bullied really hardcore until I came out, then I used that power against them. You have to flip it.”

On how to be a good drag queen and RuPaul – “It’s definitely creativity. You can have all the money in the world and still be busted as shit. With RuPaul, she looks amazing. It’s her attitude, always positive. That’s what makes her the star.”

On the difference between the man (Thomas White) and his drag persona – “As Thomas, I am the polar opposite of Morgan — I don’t want to be seen, talked to or heard from; I like my little bubble and my little space. That’s my downtime. But, as Morgan — you have to take every picture and talk to every single person. That’s your duty as a queen. They’re not there for you; you’re there for them.”

On preparing for RuPaul’s Drag Race – You can never be prepared for Rupaul’s Drag Race — no matter how many costumes you have, how many wigs, how many times you’ve seen each episode. Ru keeps it so fresh and shady. You never know what you’re gonna get.”

On regrets about his appearance on RuPaul’s Drag Race – “The only thing I regret was making fun of Mystique and her weight. When I watched it and saw her crying…it fucked my day up. Drag Race definitely humbles you.”

On his upcoming appearance at RuPaul’s Drag Con 2016 – “I’m getting a Rascal this year! I’m going to have a little red wagon with all my shit in it…”

On what other people think of him/her – “Unless you feed me, fuck me or finance me — you can’t really have an opinion.”

Listen to it below.

And be sure to get a copy of Josh’s bestselling memoir Porn Again HERE.