~~As we get older we should learn to appreciate the beauty of aging gracefully without completely forgetting that our appearance is something that is not just for ourselves, but is for the rest of the world to see and judge us by.~~

WHAT?? Where you pre-occupied in the shower when you thought of this?? Yes we do see outer appearance...but is it fair to judge people by that alone? I have met alot of people that became more attractive to me as I got to know them...INNER BEAUTY is much more important in my opinion.

And for the record...I would still love you VOX, even if you were 400 pounds with sagging man boobs!!

<3

I feel sorry for you, Dylan. How sad will it be when your words come back to haunt you in ten or twenty years. And isn't it hypocritical to condemn people for too much plastic surgery, when they're only trying live up to standards set by people just like you? People who represent an over-commercialized society which is far too often incapable or unwilling to read beyond a book's cover...

I absolutely agree with Urethra and Sparks for the reasons that they have given. I believe that people should never have to alter their appearances just because they want to be judged less harshly by the superficial people in our society. The only reason why people should consciously decide to change their appearances is so they can be happy with themselves on the inside. If we have learned nothing from "The Biggest Loser," it is that if you want to make a change in your life, the only person that you should listen to is yourself, because at the end of the day, the only person that you have to face is yourself.

But if you think that you are perfect the way that you are, and you love every day of your life, then you should not be expected to change one damn thing, regardless of the supposed norms that people have put on society. And when people think about Chaka Khan, Ann Wilson, and Aretha Franklin, for example, they will not be remembered by the sizes of their bodies. They will be remembered by their legendary musical talents, and the effect that their music had on the people who listened to them.
The way that you look isn't everything. Your personality and the effect that you have on other lives, however, is. And this is why I stand in solidarity next to my sister from another mister, Urethra, and will also love you even if you were 400 pounds with sagging man boobs, because wanting to hang out with people just because of their looks and not because of their personality is incredibly sad.

i disagree about nicole and linsday, i think they look pretty skinny. i hate how people judge skinny people. but dylan, more importantly:

im pregnant.

mwahxx

So Snowflake, that's all you saw in that whole long post was fucking Nichole and Lyndsey? They look like shit. They are talentless press whores, too bad too. Lyndsey use to be cute. Now she's just pathetic.
Watch who you idolize Snowflake, one day you might have to explain why.

My initial reaction was to side with my bitches - they always know the score. However, I THINK I understand what Vox was going for here. We are judeged on our looks everyday, by every person we encounter. It's true.

I know I'm not the only person that's run into a good friend at say, the mall or the free clinic, and thought....wow, s/he looks like shit today...and those lesions...yuck. Regardless of what you think of them as person, it's impossible NOT to have an opinion of their physical attributes. Hell part of a general psych. evaluation is to describe how the person presents physically.

It's part of the human experience to judge a book by it's cover. And it's not uncommon to feel secretly happy when someone attractive looks like shit. If outward appearances weren't important, we wouldn't have commercial package design, hygiene products, or fashion in general. We'd all be running around looking like extras from Logan's Run.

Now, what Vox didn't address is that of course this is not the way we SHOULD live. If you base your sense of self on what OTHER people think, you may as well start saving for that therapy bill early. Not to mention, there are FEW things more boring than someone who's obsessed with outward appearances. Sure you might look great...but that's of little use when people consistantly run away from you with blood pouring from their eyes.

YCKTR

Mr. Vox, do you have a myspace or some way for me to get in contact with you?

<3

oh, that is so typical of you, brightgreenheadwear. just attack poor little old me, because you're bored and have nothing better to do with your time.

but i stand by my decision. i think nicole and lindsay are self made and i appreciate them for that. i just don't think their thinness should be picked at.

and DON'T THINK i don't know it was one of you bitches writing that i need to "lay off the meth" when perez posted my I HEART PEREZ pic. grow up. ily roo! mwahxx

btw, i think that CHAKA looked amazing on CELEBRITY DUETS - and she was in great voice! i think i saw a different episode - she was wearing this crazy brown fringe outfit...i suspect i re-wound it about 4 times....BUT, not as many times as i re-wound every PATTI LABELLE appearance on that show! OMG!
oh, and back to the point, i also think there is a certain beauty to these aneroxic stars....celebrity is the disease of the 21st century, so there is something refreshingly beautiful about watching it physically manifest itself.

Yes Randy...watching people like Karen Carpenter starve themselves to death is truly beautiful.

WTF?

Your statement really makes me rethink my opinion of you. I felt icky just reading it.

YCKTR

^^^Tnaks ROO. I couldnt quite put it into words but that sums it up quite nicely.

he's seeing it from an artistic point of view. RANDAL, i think that's a really fascinating way to see it. mwah.

rooster, you are still mean.

xx

and urethra, you have a hard time putting ANYTHING into words without a zillion exclamation points, and without kissing their ass.

x

guys,

its like the beauty of a thunderstorm, cmon, cut me a break.

my larger point is that we seem to be on a mission
to expose and reveal all. pop will eat itself and starve
itself to death in the process.

FUCK YOU JORDAN

hows that for putting it into words without exclamation points

I love it. I love beautiful stars who have let themselves go. I love charting the trajectory of the stunning into the puffy and blurred. It's awesome. Absolutely the best thing about celebrity watching. I don't hate Marlon for becoming 400lbs or Mae West for over doing the face lifts. For a moment they were the most fabulous things that walked, and don't have to justify themselves to anyone. Insisting that they be 22 for ever is pointless. Of course if they try to be 22 for ever and screw up dreadfully that's all the better.

that actually would have been an appropriate place for an exclamation point.

guys,

its like the beauty of a thunderstorm, cmon, cut me a break.

my larger point is that we seem to be on a mission
to expose and reveal all. pop will eat itself and starve
itself to death in the process.

----snip----

Upon further reflection, I still think it was a creepy thing to say.

Last I checked, thunderstorms didn't puke hail and lightening all over the earth in an effort to be just like that airbrushed version they saw in an Ansel Adams photo.

Just sayin...

he's seeing it from an artistic point of view. RANDAL, i think that's a really fascinating way to see it. mwah.

rooster, you are still mean.

xx

-----snip-----

It's not my fault, I'm just drawn this way.

And I do understand Randy's point, I just think it was an irresponsible way to explain it.

At this point, pop culture isn't even JUST pop culture anymore, it's caricature of itself. Interesting to watch and read about, yes - but it's a little gross to canonize the destructive images. That sort of mentality is what killed people like Gia, and Karen Carpenter.

However, you must please remember...what the fuck do I know?

YCKTR

but then who would all the junkies look up to, if there was no gia, and the anorexics, if there was no mary kate.

mwwwwah i still luv u rooster xox

but then who would all the junkies look up to, if there was no gia, and the anorexics, if there was no mary kate.

mwwwwah i still luv u rooster xox

----snip-----

Who doesn't...?

YCKTR

By the way, good topic...we haven't seen this much action since James St. James.

Wait...that didn't come out right....

YCKTR

roo:

you probably think this song is about you.

ahaha xx

You guys aren't even discussing this column, you're just disagreeing with a side topic that Randy conjured.

Personally I'd like to open a forum where you guys could discuss and expand topics without losing them when the blog flips a page. But as well, so you don't necessarily have to give the illusion that Vox's article was anything more than a few shallow comments that drew criticism which was more interesting than anything he actually said.

Just sayin..

Pop culture is significant and wonderful but can't transcend like capital H History, altho it closely imitates it. It's merest evanescence compared to hideous wars and worse presidents. Apollinaire described something like the beauty of the thunderstorm in the exploding stars and beautiful fireworks of warfare. Who will the junkies look up to? The beautiful and the damaged of course, and there'll be plenty of those, The Young and The Limbless, from our never ending war. I think there's a huge pop cultural impact brewing from this war, more so even than Vietnam, it'll be like the Surrealists and the Futurists all over again.

(sparks, i agree. but i felt that it was my duty to defend poor miss richie, hasn't she suffered enough? plus, dylan is the father of my unborn child, so ...)

Pop culture is significant and wonderful but can't transcend like capital H History, altho it closely imitates it. It's merest evanescence compared to hideous wars and worse presidents. Apollinaire described something like the beauty of the thunderstorm in the exploding stars and beautiful fireworks of warfare. Who will the junkies look up to? The beautiful and the damaged of course, and there'll be plenty of those, The Young and The Limbless, from our never ending war. I think there's a huge pop cultural impact brewing from this war, more so even than Vietnam, it'll be like the Surrealists and the Futurists all over again.

----snip----

Pull my finger

YCKTR

I like the idea of bring back the petty bickering and personal attacks. Can we please have our own venting area?!? Just like old times. I miss attacking Jordan.

!!!xoxxo!!!

love,

Shelly.